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Oxford Road Reveals ORBIT Rankings: The First Podcast Performance Index Based on Sales Data, Not Downloads
Podcasts Are The Voice-First Influencers – And The Data Finally Proves It
Australian Sports Content Consumption Hits Record High – What Podcasters Can Learn
The 100-Download Club: What Actually Works
Bonus: The Gen Z Paradox: Why Over-Targeting the Generation Everybody’s Obsessed With Might Be Killing Your Ads
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Oxford Road Reveals ORBIT Rankings: The First Podcast Performance Index Based on Sales Data, Not Downloads
The Podwires Rundown : For fifteen years, podcast advertising has operated on faith. Download numbers, CPMs, brand safety scores – all proxy metrics for the only thing that actually matters: did the ad work? Oxford Road just released ORBIT, the first podcast rankings based on actual sales data from $1.6 billion in campaigns. And the results? They’re going to make a lot of people uncomfortable.
Oxford Road, now the world’s largest podcast advertising agency following its 2024 merger with Veritone One, released ORBIT (Oxford Road Benchmark Intelligence Tool) – the first podcast rankings built entirely on sales outcomes rather than audience size. Drawing from 12 months of real campaign data across hundreds of advertisers, CEO Dan Granger and his team analyzed which podcasts actually convert listeners into customers. The methodology normalizes performance across different advertiser goals, comparing each placement against specific targets like customer acquisition cost or return on ad spend.
The Key Points:
Comedy and political podcasts dominate the top 15 performers, with 11 of 15 spots going to these “brand-unsafe” categories that many advertisers actively avoid – controversial content drives action
Mega-shows like The Joe Rogan Experience don’t crack the top 15, with only 3 tier-1 podcasts making the cut, meaning advertisers systematically overpay for household names while smaller shows deliver superior returns
Critical Role – where professional voice actors play Dungeons & Dragons – takes the #1 spot, proving passionate niche audiences outperform casual mass audiences for conversion efficiency
Post-merger analysis shows 30% year-over-year improvement in client performance, validating the scale needed to create reliable benchmarks across the podcast advertising ecosystem
Faith-based podcasts rank in the top 20% for performance across verticals, a finding impossible to surface without normalized, goal-based data rather than download counts
Why It Matters: Every podcast ranking you’ve ever seen tells you which shows have the most listeners. ORBIT tells you which shows made money and which ones lost it. For the first time, advertisers can see actual customer acquisition costs and return on ad spend before writing a check, not after. This fundamentally changes how podcast advertising gets bought – moving from “big audience equals big results” to “this specific show converts for this specific goal.” The era of buying podcast ads based on download numbers is over.
The Big Picture: For podcasters and producers, ORBIT creates both opportunity and accountability. Shows that deliver results now have data to prove their value beyond download counts, potentially commanding premium rates based on conversion efficiency rather than audience size.
Niche podcasts with passionate audiences (Critical Role as exhibit A) can demonstrate they outperform mainstream shows for advertisers, opening revenue opportunities previously locked behind tier-1 access requirements. The challenge? Podcasters need to understand their audience’s conversion behavior, not just their listening habits.
This means working more closely with advertisers on tracking, optimization, and demonstrating ROI – transforming the relationship from media buy to performance partnership. For the industry overall, ORBIT provides the missing link between podcast advertising’s promise and its proof, potentially accelerating ad spend from performance marketers who previously couldn’t justify podcast budgets without sales data.
Oxford Road will release monthly rankings covering genre-specific performance, international markets, and vertical-specific results, creating a continuously updated performance index that the entire industry can reference when making buying decisions.
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Podcasts Are The Voice-First Influencers – And The Data Finally Proves It
The Podwires Rundown: Look, I’ve been banging this drum for years: podcast hosts aren’t just content creators. They’re influencers. But instead of hawking skincare routines to followers who scroll past in three seconds, they’re building actual relationships with audiences who choose to spend 30, 60, 90 minutes with them. Week after week. Audacy’s latest “State of Audio” report just dropped the receipts, and honestly? It’s about time someone put numbers to what we’ve all known.
Audacy’s “State of Audio” report examines podcasting’s role in the creator economy, featuring insights from Audacy CMO Jenny Nelson and Head of Podcasts Leah Reis-Dennis, along with data from Podscribe’s benchmark report and Edison Research. The report includes perspectives from ARM Chief Revenue Officer Teresa Elliott on advertiser behavior and presents findings on listener trust, conversion rates, and multi-platform engagement patterns. Writer: Inside Audio Marketing published coverage of the report analyzing voice-first influencer trends and podcast advertising effectiveness.
The Key Points:
Audio creator revenues have more than doubled since 2020, with podcast hosts emerging as “voice-first influencers” in digital marketing
Nearly 60% of podcast fans trust ads more when read by the host, and 95% take action after hearing a podcast ad – recommending products, seeking information, or making purchases
Smaller and mid-tier podcasts (under 750,000 monthly impressions) often outperform blockbuster shows in driving conversions, demonstrating a “niche over noise” trend
42% of listeners now prefer podcasts with a video component, with 48% feeling more engaged with hosts they see and hear beyond the episode
Podcast listeners’ intentional media consumption creates deeper host-audience bonds than most other channels, making them more receptive to sponsor messages
Why It Matters: This isn’t just validation – it’s ammunition. When 95% of your audience takes action after hearing an ad, you’re not running a hobby. You’re operating marketing infrastructure. The trust metric matters because it separates podcasting from the noise of display ads and social media scroll-bys. Listeners understand that sponsors keep shows running, so they’re not just tolerating ads – they’re actively engaging with them. For podcasters trying to prove ROI to advertisers, this data hands you the conversation on a silver platter.
The Big Picture: Podcasters need to stop underselling themselves as “just” content creators and start positioning as the voice-first influencers they are. The data says conversion rates peak with smaller shows – meaning you don’t need Joe Rogan numbers to deliver results. That “cult following” Leah Reis-Dennis talks about with shows like “Reality Gays”? That’s your competitive advantage. Daily listeners who feel like friends convert better than massive transient audiences.
Actionable steps: First, if you’re still apologizing for your “small” audience size to potential sponsors, stop. Lead with engagement metrics and conversion data instead. Second, embrace the “audio multiverse” – 42% of listeners want video components, so figure out your video strategy if you haven’t already. Third, when working with sponsors, push for creative freedom. The report confirms what we know: authentic host reads outperform scripted copy every time.
For producers, this means building packages that emphasize host authenticity and audience depth over raw reach. ARM’s actively looking beyond top charts for niche opportunities – that’s a signal. Smart buyers are getting it. Your pitch should lead with trust metrics and conversion potential, not just download numbers.
The podcast industry benefits when we collectively shift the conversation from “we’re growing” to “we’re converting.” Audio creators have doubled their revenues since 2020 not by accident, but because the medium delivers results. Every time an advertiser treats podcasting like radio’s digital cousin, point them to this data. We’re not radio. We’re not display ads. We’re voice-first influencers with audiences that actually give a damn. And the numbers finally prove it.
Australian Sports Content Consumption Hits Record High – What Podcasters Can Learn
The Podwires Rundown : More than 14 million Australians flocked to sports websites and apps in September 2025 as AFL and NRL finals consumed the nation’s attention. That’s 64% of the country’s online population spending nearly an hour each month on sports content. Meanwhile, news sites reached 96.4% of online Australians, who spent 4.56 hours monthly consuming news content. But here’s what should make podcast producers sit up: these aren’t just readers – they’re an audience actively seeking story-driven content about sports, current events, and human drama. And right now, they’re finding it everywhere except in our medium.
According to Ipsos iris data released by IAB Australia on October 23, 2025, September’s sports finals drove record engagement across digital platforms. The data, which measures 22.127 million Australians aged 14+ across all devices, revealed consumption patterns driven by major sporting events including the AFL Brownlow Medal, Brisbane vs. Geelong Grand Final, and NRL finals, alongside trending news stories like celebrity splits and reality show controversies.
The Key Points:
14.06 million Australians (64%) visited sports websites or apps in September 2025, spending an average of 54 minutes consuming sports content
Men consumed five times more sports content than women (89 minutes vs. 17 minutes), while over-40s spent 2.4 times longer than under-40s on sports content
News sites reached 96.4% of online Australians (21.3 million people), up 2.8% year-over-year, with users spending 4.56 hours monthly on news content
Major sports events drove consumption, including AFL finals, Brownlow Medal coverage, and NRL championship games, alongside celebrity news and reality TV drama
Career, Games, Health, and Homes categories saw the strongest growth, with Career content up 7.6% and Games up 5.1% year-over-year
Why It Matters: This data reveals massive audiences actively seeking story-driven content about sports, current events, and cultural moments – exactly the kind of content podcasts excel at delivering. When millions of people spend hours each month reading about sports drama, championship games, and behind-the-scenes stories, that’s a clear signal for podcast producers: these audiences want deeper narratives, expert analysis, and emotional connections to the stories they care about. The challenge is that they’re currently finding this content on websites and apps, not in podcast apps.
The Big Picture: For podcast producers and the industry, this Australian data exposes both opportunity and urgency. Sports podcasts should be the natural home for fans who spent 54 minutes reading about finals drama – instead, they’re getting their fix through websites. The demographic splits matter too: men’s 5x higher sports content consumption and over-40s’ 2.4x longer engagement times reveal clear audience segments that sports podcasts can target with precision.
Here’s the actionable insight: news-driven podcasts need faster turnaround times. When 21.3 million people rush online to consume content about a Brownlow Medal, celebrity split, or Grand Final, podcast producers need same-day or next-day episodes to capture that interest. The Career and Games categories’ strong growth (up 7.6% and 5.1%) signal underserved podcast niches where audiences are actively seeking content but finding it elsewhere.
Most critically, this data reinforces that audiences consume content wherever it’s easiest to access. Australians spent 4.87 hours daily online in September – that’s a massive window where podcasts should be competing. But if sports fans can read about finals drama on their phones instantly while podcast episodes drop days later, we’re ceding ground to text-based platforms. The solution isn’t just making more podcasts – it’s making more timely, responsive podcasts that meet audiences where they already are: on their phones, hungry for stories, ready to engage.
The 100-Download Club: What Actually Works
The Podwires Rundown:Here’s something that’ll make you reconsider everything: getting 100 downloads in your first week puts you in the top third of all podcasts. Not the top 10%. Not an elite tier. Just crossing triple digits makes you better than two-thirds of shows out there. And yet 68% of independent podcasters can’t hit that mark.
The Podcast Host’s Katie Paterson dug into their Independent Podcaster Survey data to figure out what separates the 100+ download club from everyone else. The results challenge basically every piece of conventional wisdom floating around our industry right now – especially the obsession with video.
The Key Points:
Patience wins – 36% of the 100+ download club have been podcasting for over 5 years, proving slow growth beats quick pivots
Video is overrated – Only 37% of high-performing indie shows do video, and 21% have zero plans to start, suggesting video isn’t the growth silver bullet we’re sold
Long-form dominates – 21% of 100+ shows run over an hour per episode, while shorter episodes correlate with smaller audiences
Time investment matters – 24% of successful podcasters spend 10+ hours per episode versus just 8% of sub-100 shows
• Static video works – 16% of 100+ shows use YouTube with static imagery versus 8% of smaller shows, proving you don’t need cameras to tap video platforms
Why It Matters: The podcasting industry keeps telling creators they need to pivot to video, chase trends, and optimize everything. But the data says something different: the shows breaking through that 100-download threshold are playing the long game, investing time in their craft, and often skipping video entirely. This matters because it means the path to sustainable podcast growth doesn’t require expensive camera setups or complete format overhauls – it requires patience and quality over quick fixes.
The Big Picture: For podcasters and producers, this research offers a roadmap that contradicts the panic around video. You can build a successful show by doubling down on long-form audio content and investing real production hours into each episode. The finding that longer episodes correlate with higher downloads should give creators confidence to go deep on topics rather than chasing artificial time constraints.
The video data is particularly liberating – if you’re audio-only and staying that way, you’re in good company with successful shows. Meanwhile, producers can focus resources on audio quality and storytelling rather than expensive video production rigs. For the industry, this validates that audio-first podcasting still has a strong lane, even as platforms push video. It also suggests that the constant pressure to adapt to video might be more hype than necessity, freeing creators to focus on what actually moves the needle: consistently creating quality content and sticking with it long enough for audiences to find you.
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Bonus : The Gen Z Paradox: Why Over-Targeting the Generation Everybody’s Obsessed With Might Be Killing Your Ads
The Podwires Rundown: Here’s something that’ll make every marketer spit out their oat milk latte: System1’s new research shows that Gen Z appears in 78-93% of advertising (depending on market), despite representing just 25% of the global population and controlling only 17% of global spending power. And here’s the kicker – those ads featuring Gen Z characters perform worse with actual Gen Z audiences. Significantly worse. We’re talking a 1.5-star drop for young men.
This comes from System1’s “Seeing Gen Z” study, conducted by analyzing 1,000 ads across the US and UK with 75,000 respondents, including over 10,000 Gen Z participants. The research reveals what the advertising industry got catastrophically wrong about this generation.
The Key Points:
• The representation trap backfires – Unlike other demographics where “feeling seen” increased ad appeal by 7 points, Gen Z felt 4 points LESS positive about ads featuring people like them, suggesting stereotyping rather than authentic representation
• Spending power doesn’t match screen time – Gen Z controls just 17% of global spending while appearing in the vast majority of ads, compared to Baby Boomers who control 21% of spending but appear far less frequently
• Men and women need different approaches – Gen Z men respond to themes of generosity, gratitude and kindness (3.4 stars), while Gen Z women connect with body positivity and sports content (4.2 stars)
• Humor beats earnestness – Despite stereotypes of Gen Z as the “serious generation,” ads with humor scored 0.6 stars higher with both male and female Gen Z audiences, with only 26% of Gen Z ads currently using comedy
• Tech stereotypes alienate – Ads avoiding phones and AI performed 0.7 stars better with Gen Z women and 0.3 stars better with men; they value human connection and family relationships over celebrity endorsements
Why It Matters
The advertising industry made the same mistake with Gen Z that we’re seeing in podcasting: assuming that youth obsession equals engagement. System1’s data shows that representation without resonance is worse than useless – it actively turns audiences off. Gen Z doesn’t want to see themselves reduced to clichés about phone addiction, social media obsession, or performative seriousness. They want what every generation wants: authentic stories, humor that doesn’t condescend, and human connection that feels real. This matters because the gap between how marketers think they should reach Gen Z versus what actually works is costing brands both short-term sales (lower Spike ratings) and long-term growth (lower Star ratings).
The Big Picture
For podcasters and producers, this research is a warning shot. The podcasting industry’s obsession with Gen Z mirrors advertising’s mistake – we’re so busy chasing the demo that we’ve forgotten to ask if we’re actually connecting with them. The video podcast panic, the TikTok pivots, the assumption that younger audiences demand shorter formats and constant visual stimulation – all of this might be solving for the wrong problem. System1’s research suggests that Gen Z responds to the same fundamentals that work across generations: strong storytelling, authentic humor, real human connections, and entertainment value that doesn’t rely on stereotypes. The podcast industry would do well to remember that The Podcast Host’s recent data showed similar findings – longer-form content actually performs better with engaged audiences, and video isn’t the guaranteed growth hack we’ve been sold. Instead of redesigning everything around assumed Gen Z preferences, maybe we should focus on making great shows that respect their intelligence and avoid the digital clichés that this research proves they actively reject. The generation that grew up online doesn’t need us to explain the internet to them – they need us to tell them stories worth their time.
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